Answers to common questions.
Before you make a change to a page, please read this. It answers some common questions that keep coming up, requiring the changes to be removed.
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Why was the page I worked on changed?
There are a variety of reasons why a page that's worked on has to be changed. Sometimes it's to correct a common mistake that people make, such as putting in that Phineas is 9 years old. (See below as to why he isn't.) Other times, the wording needs to be adjusted. Re-edits are also performed when people decide to be mischievous and/or vandalize pages.
If you create a new page for a character or subject, it may get redirected to a different page if we already have one that covers what you wrote. Misspelled page names are a common reason for using a redirect.
When a page is edited, the person who edited it will usually put an edit summary as to why they changed it. You can see the reason(s) when you look at the Recent changes page. The edit summary should be a polite explanation of why it had to be changed.
See the "Editing pages" section below for other reasons why the page may have to be changed or deleted after you worked on it.
Sending my idea to Dan or Swampy
"I have an idea for a story, character or song. How do I send them to Dan or Swampy?"
The short answer is you can't. Not because they wouldn't want to hear them, but because they have to avoid legal problems that could occur from doing this.
There are many instances where lawsuits have happened when there is a dispute over where an idea came from. The episode "Passing Through Gethsemane" of Babylon 5 was canceled because there was a fan fiction story with the same kind of plot. It was able to be restarted a year later because the author of that fan fiction story took the unusual step of giving the creator of the show a notarized letter saying that he released all rights to his fan fiction story.
In the case of Phineas and Ferb, "Ready for the Bettys" and the Cliptastic Countdown are no longer shown in the United States because there is a real-life rock band called The Bettys that thought the episode copied them, even though the crew had never even heard of them.
I really want to send them my idea
If you really want to try sending your idea to Dan and Swampy, then you will need to do research to find out what Disney Channel's process is for submitting ideas.
The first step will be to find out if the show is even accepting ideas from outside writers. If they are, then the next step will be to find out where to send the idea and what legal requirements have to be met in order for Disney Channel to accept your idea.
If you are creating an article for a new episode that you made up, this wiki really isn't the right place for that. There are other websites specifically set up for user-made stories. They let people be creative with something they enjoy, without stepping on the toes of the people here.
Refer to the Fan fiction page for more information about where fan fiction should be placed.
A fake episode is one where we do not have confirmation that is real. Many times we have to wait until an episode shows up on the Disney Channel schedule, but occasionally we get word back from Dan Povenmire or Jeff "Swampy" Marsh about whether an episode is real or fake. Refer to the Fake episodes list for the episodes we know aren't real.
Articles for things that are determined to be fake episodes will usually be deleted. Many of the fake episodes that are created are really fan fiction. Refer to the "Appropriate place for fan fiction" section below.
Speculation is when you use your own personal opinion as the basis for what you are adding. Since it is a guess or your opinion and usually cannot be backed up by what is seen in the episodes, it will typically be removed. Speculation in Allusions is permitted, as long as when you add the allusion you state why you think it is valid. This allows for a community review of the allusion. See below for details about allusions.
If it is decided that what you've added should be removed, a reason will usually be given in the edit summary. You can see the edit summaries when you look at the Recent Changes page.
Users that continue to add fake episodes and/or speculation are abusing their privileges here. When it is bad enough, they will be blocked from access for a certain time period. Severe abuse of privileges can result in a user being labelled as a vandal and permanent blocking. See above for what is considered vandalism. Just play nice and we'll all get along fine.
What's the big deal about adding speculation?
In one respect, speculation is a form of fan fiction. It's one person's opinion of what they want it to be, rather than what can be proven by what we see in the episodes. We are also prohibiting fan fiction because this can lead to contradictions. To avoid contradictions, we rely on what is in the episodes, published interviews and official Phineas and Ferb books and magazines for our information. Anything outside of that is not permitted.
We're trying to keep this wiki about what we see in the episodes. If you add something, you have to be able to back it up. The episodes have to be your primary source of this proof. This is referred to as "being canon".
We've already learned that what appears on other websites may not be true, even when it is a respectable website like the Internet Movie Database. Dan Povenmire says that even the Disney Channel website for the show doesn't get their content from his staff, so there may be times that the official website isn't official.
If you are getting your information from another website like TV.com, you need to provide a link to the page so that other people can review the information. This is called a "community review" of your entry.
"What I want" instead of what it actually is
When adding something to this Wiki, you need to ask yourself "am I doing this because it's what I want to happen, or did I see it in an episode?" If the answer isn't "I saw it in an episode", take another look at the reason why you're making the change.
As mentioned above, things that are added to this Wiki have to be supported by what is seen in the episodes or learned through interviews and articles about the show's creators and cast. Without proof, these changes are "what I want", instead of what actually is, and this is a form of speculation.
Likewise, any changes made because "that's the way it should be" are to be avoided. In these cases, you are saying that you know better than the people who make the show how things should be.
- Isabella becomes a secret agent.
- Deciding on middle names for characters, or giving names to characters, when that name has not been used in an episode.
- Danville is in South Dakota because you can drive to Mount Rushmore in a few hours.
If you are really determined to make a "what I want" or "that's the way it should be" change, then you are venturing into fan fiction territory.
How old are the characters on the show?
Candace is only one of two people that we currently have a definite answer for. Her birthday is July 11, which is a Friday in the episode "Candace Loses Her Head". In "Comet Kermillian", we learn that she will be 88 1/2 when the comet comes back. Since the comet comes back every 73 1/2 years, that means she's 15 years old at the time of "Comet Kermillian". Also, on the official website, it says she's fifteen.
Vanessa and Jeremy
Vanessa celebrated her Sweet 16 birthday on June 15, which is the same day as Lawrence and Linda Flynn's anniversary. The year that these events took place on has not been specified, so Vanessa's birth year cannot be determined. ("Dude, We're Getting the Band Back Together") In Phineas and Ferb The Movie: Across the 2nd Dimension, Candace states that Jeremy is one year older than her, so this means that, as of then, Vanessa and Jeremy are the same age.
Phineas and Ferb
At one point in the "Original Story Pitch", Candace says that Phineas is 9. Other websites also say this. That was true at one point, but it's no longer the case. Phineas' and Ferb's official age is now "less than 15".
Here's the official answer from Dan Povenmire himself, show co-creator:
- Phineas and Ferb are the same age but we never say what age that is, just that it is less than 15. The reason we cut the age reference from the final [version of the episode "Rollercoaster" that was broadcast] is that in testing, kids of varied ages all identified P&F as their age. We don't want to tie them down to a specific age because we like that vagueness. The sites that say that Ferb is older than Phineas are just plain wrong, though. Part of the reason we wanted them to be stepbrothers is we wanted them to be the same age, but not twins and not just friends.
As of Phineas and Ferb's Quantum Boogaloo, their ages have been approximated to 10 years old, as shown by this quote.
Old Linda Flynn: "Well, my Phineas and Ferb are 30 years old now..."
Because they travelled 20 years forward, this puts their ages at around 10 years old.
In Act Your Age, Dan Povenmire and Jeff "Swampy" Marsh said in the introduction that it takes place 10 years later. Since Phineas is trying to pick a school, he is presumably 17 or 18. Thus, Phineas and Ferb could also be 7 or 8.
Isabella and the other children
Isabella's age and the age of the other kids has not been specified in any of the episodes. The closest we can get is that they are about the same age as Phineas and Ferb, since most kids make friends with other kids close to their own age. However, in "Cranius Maximus", we learn that Isabella is younger than 12 from her line, "I was so looking forward to middle school.".
The parents, Dr. Doofenshmirtz and other people in the show
Like the kids, their ages are not specified. We can make reasonable assumptions about what their approximate ages are, but we will probably never know an exact age for any of them. However, those assumptions should not be added to any character pages. That is except for Doofenshmirtz who was recently revealed to be 47 in a recent episode.
Mistakes that appear in other TV shows are often collected and reported on various "nitpicking" websites. Phineas and Ferb does not attempt to be an exact part of our universe or reality, and in fact, some of what we might consider to be goofs or mistakes are deliberate decisions on the part of the show's creators. The two main examples of those decisions are when the episodes take place and where Danville is located. The third is discussed above in the "Ages" section.
We do have an errors section on the episode pages, which typically list animation mistakes and other errors.
What year do the episodes take place in?
None of the episodes have specifically said that they take place in 2008, but that's what most people think because that's when the episodes were first shown. Other people go by when the episodes were made, which is 2007. In reality, the episodes do not take place in any known year. Dan Povenmire has also said that the episodes aren't being told in a straight chronological order, so not all of the episodes that we saw in Season 1 may have taken place during the same year.
Why we cannot pin down a year for the episodes:
In the episode "Dude, We're Getting the Band Back Together", Candace holds up a calendar for June. June 15th is Linda Flynn's and Lawrence Fletcher's anniversary, and it takes place on Tuesday. June 15th lands on a Tuesday in the years 1999, 2004 and 2010.
However, the calendar is missing June 21st and when Candace flips it back to May, it's exactly the same page. May doesn't match up with when June starts.
In "Candace Loses Her Head", Candace's birthday is on July 11th. The calendar shows that July starts on a Tuesday. The other calendar showed that June ended on a Wednesday. The two calendars do not match up.
Even allowing for the possibility that those two episodes might not take place within the same year, the discrepancy between May and June in the same episode means that it is not possible to give an exact year to when the episodes take place.
Differences between Seasons and the episodes:
A couple of the Season 1 episodes had already been broadcast in Latin America during 2008, but were delayed in the United States until February 2009, effectively making them a Season 2 episode. This plays havoc with keeping track of the "production order" versus the "broadcast order" of the episodes. (These episodes were later determined to be Season 1 episodes.)
But beyond that, we have to consider what is said in the theme song. There are 104 days of summer vacation. Given that there are about 22 half hours in each season, some showing two episodes and some showing a single episode, this means that it would take four or five seasons' worth of episodes to cover the entire summer vacation.
It is likely that the episodes we are watching take place during the same summer vacation, but it has not yet been confirmed that this is the case.
Where is Danville located?
While many states in the United States have cities named "Danville", the Danville in this show isn't in any particular state. It's within a short drive to Mount Rushmore, yet close to an ocean. It changes as needed. The neighborhood around Phineas and Ferb's house changes from episode to episode, and sometimes even their house changes shape. However, on the Phineas and Ferb game "Hoverboard Tour", on the level "New York", The Doofenshmirtz Evil Inc. building was there. This might be wrong due to the fact that the game was made somewhere else.
Refer to the article on Danville for known locations and details.
What are the names of the songs in the episode "Dude, We're Getting the Band Back Together"?
The songs are as follows:
- History of Rock (formerly known as Danny's Story)
- Ain't Got Rhythm
- You Snuck Your Way Right Into My Heart
- Music Makes Us Better
The fourth song is the one that people keep changing because in the song it says "You snuck your way right into my heart". The official title as per the episode is Snuck Your Way Into My Heart, as we learn when Phineas, Ferb and Candace watch the documentary about Love Händel.
The belief that the song should be titled You Snuck Your Way Right Into My Heart is similar to the belief that the song Against All Odds that Phil Collins wrote for the movie Against All Odds should be titled "Take a Look at Me Now". Phil's song says "Take a look at me now" more than it says "Against all odds" or "Against the odds".
Songwriters will usually take a line from the song and use that as the title, but not always. "Against All Odds" is one example, but perhaps the best example is Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. The words "Bohemian Rhapsody" are not in the song at all.
The release of the soundtrack overrides what is in the episode, and the song is listed as on this wiki as You Snuck Your Way Right Into My Heart.
For the full list of songs that have appeared in the episodes, click on "Songs" in the menu on the left side of each page.
"Good Faith" and "Bad Faith" edits
A good faith edit means that what you're adding here is done with good intentions so that other people will enjoy what you've contributed.
A bad faith edit is a change that doesn't benefit the community. It can be something as simple as adding something known not to be true, to as severe as vandalism and obscenities.
Bad faith edits are usually caught fairly quickly since the members see what's been changed on a regular basis. If it's an honest mistake, the person that made the mistake receives a gentle notice about the change having to be removed.
One way to show that your edit is in good faith is to provide a reason for the edit. This should be placed in the Summary line, which is to the left of the Save page button you click to save what you worked on.
See the "assume good faith" page for more information.
At the other end of the spectrum is vandalism. The most common types of vandalism are creating article titles with obscenities, replacing text with obscenities, erasing pages, or adding nonsense characters/gibberish. Another example of vandalism is taking pieces from other articles and adding them to fake episodes, trying to make a "real" episode.
Full details about what constitutes vandalism is discussed in the Phineas and Ferb Wiki:Vandalism page.
What is "Continuity"?
Continuity is a reference in one episode to another episode. This differs from foreshadowing because continuity is not a plot point that had to be resolved later. It is simply a reference or trivia about another episode. Example:
What is an "Allusion"?
An allusion is a reference in the show to something outside of the show. One example is when the giant gumball machine rolls after Phineas and Ferb (and later, Candace) in "Are You My Mummy?" This is a reference to the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark, where the giant boulder rolls after Indiana Jones at the beginning of the movie.
Allusions are sometimes subjective about whether they really are referencing something outside of the show. In these situations, you should add words like "may be a reference to" in the allusion. This lets other members of the community double-check the allusion to see if it's valid or not.
What is Background Information?
Background information is trivia or information from outside of the show that relates to an event or plot point in the episode. Some background items qualify as continuity items and should be listed there.
What is a running gag?
Running gags are themes that occur from one episode to the next, but often change. There are nine running gags used in the show that we keep track of:
- "I know what we're going to do today! — This is usually said by Phineas when he gets an inspiration, but has also been said by other people. A few of the episode pages have started including this running gag. We can expect to see it on more in the future.
- The "Too Young" Line — The point when it's realized that a character is doing something not typical of their age, but does not specifically have to be about age. It can also be related to things that are out of place, such as when Candace was asked, "Aren't you a little female to be Morty Williams?" in "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted".
- Ferb's Lines — Since Ferb says so little, when he does talk it's worth noting.
- What'cha doin'? — Usually said (but not always) by Isabella when the boys have started their latest "nearly impossible plan".
- Hey, where's Perry? — Phineas asks this when Perry is missing. Other characters ask this as well, like Ferb in "Fireside Girl Jamboree".
- Oh, there you are, Perry — Phineas asks this after Perry returns. Other characters ask this as well, like Candace in "Wizard of Odd".
- Perry's entrance to his lair — The Agency has many different entrances to his "lair" and the other locations The Agency uses.
- Evil Jingle — Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated usually has different jingles in each episode.
- Curse you, Perry the Platypus! — is what Doofenshmirtz normally yells to Perry at the end of every confrontation.
Another running gag would include what keeps Candace from busting her brothers each time, which can be found in the episode summary section.